Title Attached – Why it costs you money.

Profit loss missing titlesQuick Answer:

We Think You Should AVOID  Selling a Vehicle “Title Attached”.

A third less buyers and the remaining buyers pay less.

Lets use an example of a $8000 car. If you sell it at auction “Title Attached” 33% less buyers will consider the car, and the average bid will be $250 to $700 less. So net proceeds will be approximately $7300-$7750.

If you waited the 10 days until the lien release or title showed up, you would pay 10 days of extra floor plan.

Lets say your floor plan rate is 10% or .000273785 per $ per day. So in other words $8000 time .000273785 or $2.19 per day in floor plan

Which would you prefer?

$250-700 in loss at auction. OR $21.90 in floor plan and pick up the true value of the car.

 

Detailed Answer:

Title Attached/Missing/Lien Definition

What is the difference between “Title attached”, “Title Missing”, “Lien Release Missing”

 

Title Attached. New dealers/wholesalers are often confused about what “Title Attached” means.  It actually means that the title is NOT present at the time of the sale. This means the selling dealer has the title but it is not on hand at the time of the auction, usually at another dealership billing location.

 

Title missing. The dealer does not have a title in their possession. Usually they are still waiting for the customer to bring it in or they ordered a duplicate title from the DMV and are waiting for the title.

Lien Release Missing. The dealer has paid off the lien and is waiting for the bank to send the release.

Do I Get Less Bidders If The Title is Missing?

Yes. According to a study we conducted in August of 2014, dealers and wholesaler said that about 33% of dealers will avoid bidding on title attached cars because “It is a pain to deal with”.

Some dealers said they are working on fast turn around of inventory, because of this, title attached is not allowed by their owners. “We follow the vAuto philosophy of more turns per year (roughly 13-14 per annum), so title attached is a pain because you never know how long its going to take to get your title.”

One dealer told us that the “Big boys never buy title attached, because they have unlimited funds so they wait for the right cars.” Another said, “When we started only sending cars to auction with full title, we saw a 20% decrease in No Sales and a  higher average wholesale profit.”

Will I lose Profit if Title is not ready at Time of Auction?

Yes. Most bidders will pay less for a vehicle if the title is attached. One large dealer buyer told us that he pays between $250 to $700 less for “Title Attached” vehicles depending on the price. “The more money I am floating because of missing titles the more it costs. So I adjust my bid accordingly.” The only exception to this rule is for junk cars under $500.

The second reason you profit less on title attached units is because you have less bidders as mentioned above. Less shots on goal = less chance of a winning high bidder.

Can I Sell My Car if The Title is Missing.

We are not attorney’s, so we called our local NYS DMV and the person on the other end laughed when we asked the question. Her response was an  emphatic “NO.”

“You must have complete legal ownership of the vehicle before you have the right to sell it. The only exception is vehicles older than 1972 where titles did not exist for the most part. We know dealers sell vehicles with missing paperwork all the time but they shouldn’t because they technically don’t own the vehicle until they have a clear signed title with no liens on it and a signed mileage statement. ”

Is the Seller still Liable if The Title is Not in their possession?

There are many vicarious liability cases that have been won against selling dealers who did not complete their paperwork correctly or did not secure full ownership of the vehicle before they sold it. Again check with your attorney and or DMV before you consider selling a car without full ownership.

Recap:

The original intent of “Title Attached” at traditional auctions was to allow dealers to still sell cars at auction if they forgot to bring the titles with them. In most cases they needed to have the title the next day or the deal would be cancelled. It should not be used as a way to float money if you don’t have legal possession of the vehicle.

 

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